Wednesday 17 January 2007

Scottish Independence: Anyone give a hoot?

A new year, a new beginning and, potentially, new dawn for Scotland. The Scottish parliamentary elections are just around the corner and, more so than at any time in recent years, Scottish independence is back on the agenda. In Scotland, Labour is, thanks in large part to opposition to the war in Iraq, increasingly unpopular, the Lib Dems have forsworn the possibility of a coalition arrangement should Labour find itself in a minority position and the Scottish Conservatives continue to revel in the in their irrelevance. Three factors that have the SNP gleefully rubbing its hands in expectation. In England, the distinct possibility of a Scot moving into No.10 and the continuation of the 'Scottish raj' within Whitehall have brought the West Lothian question, a product of devolution that more and more seems to be the Union's Achilles heel, has come back into play. These factors, mixed with the post-Cold War ascendancy of the principle of self-determination in international relations and good old fashioned tartan pride, make it all the more likely that at some point in the near future Scotland will fly the nest of Britain to make its own way in the world.

What's more, I can't imagine why the other residents of these sceptered isles would be sorry to see us go. Indeed, they may even be glad to see the back of our ginger heads:

- Scotland has some of the most deprived, economically unproductive and unhealthy regions in the UK; getting shot of them would be a blessing.
- It's hardly likely to affect Britain's position within Europe. It's not entirely clear whether or not Scotland's position within the EU is guaranteed and the rest of the UK need no necessarily lose votes in the European Parliament proportional to the population loss. Even if it did, Britain's position relative to other states would remain unchanged.
- An independent Scotland is not going to make it hard for the English/Welsh/Northern Irish to invest in/gain from the Scottish economy; why would it alienate it's closest and most important economic allies?
- The SNP claims that Scottish tax payers in fact provide a net subsidy for English tax payers. Regardless of whether this is correct or not, why shouldn't Britain take advantage of the claim and ask the Scots for some form of reparations to compensate for independence? Britain might even get a good deal. After all, what about the rights of those who wish to remain living in a United Kingdom including Scotland?

Each of these points is very much off the top of my head but I can't for the life of me come up with a single argument to the effect that the rest of Britain would be sorry to see the Scots go.

Independence is not yet inevitable, a cornerstone of the SNP's policy is a referendum on the issue and opinion polls, and my own personal experience, suggest that a majority of Scots do not want it. I count myself among this majority as I emphatically believe that independence would be a disaster for Scotland.

However, regardless of the eventual outcome, there seems little reason for anyone else in Britain to be upset, or even care, if my kilted comrades cast off the yoke of the Union and march merrily off into the sunset of independence.

Give a hoot? Nah.

James C
http://jimthought.blogspot.com/

94 comments:

James C said...

Forgot to include this in the original entry. For an interesting discussion of the relationship between a newly-indpendent Scotland and the EU check out:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=35012007

The comments following the article itself provide a useful illustration of the extent to which the debate over Scottish independence is informed by passion, stubborness and stupidity.

James C

Anonymous said...

So the SNP is claiming Scottish taxpayers provide a net subsidy to British taxpayers?

I'm pretty sure the BNP claims that English taxpayers are net subsidisers to Scotland...

Besides that, I can think of at least one reason for which the UK government is resisting Scottish independence- a small town in Argyll and Bute which houses and processes all of Britain's nuclear weapons. Independently, Scotland is far more likely than England is to vote out of Trident- and England is not so well placed for conveniently secluded areas with very few employment opportunities in which to dump nuclear bases on the hush-hush.

What will happen to imperialism, once the balls of Britain are cut off and England is exposed as the runty half-island it is?

We won't get away with keeping our nuclear weapons, and to boot, we'll lose the excuse for feeling
like we ought to have them.

Back in your box, Scotland.

Ben said...

It is always strange to think that while most of Europe is attempting to bond together to form a 'United States of Europe'. Meanwhile, in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland and Acompanying Islands, we are attempting to break up our union in favor of many individual countries.

We are already individual countries, England is a separate country. We have a strange set up where we have formed close unions with our neighbors in order to function better. We are a community, and often our interests are very similar.

They are different when we look at the factors that affect local policy. However, then the interests of the North are different from the South. However, as in many places in life, we must reach a compromise to best serve all interested parties.

We benefit from being a common bargaining power. England can draw certain benefits from having Scotland in our union (defense based contracts have been mentioned). I'm sure that Scotland has many benefits too (again, defense could be highlighted).

As Europe attempts to draw closer together, it may be beneficial for Scotland to sever itself from England in order to get a voice that directly speaks on its behalf, but as mentioned, there is no guarantee that it will be listened to on the world stage.

This is a divisive issue, which it is easy to accuse people of being Pro/Anti-Scottish purely on whether they would support the devolution. The SNP will most likely use that as part of their political capital. They may not agree with people who are firmly Pro-Scotland and they belive that to be Pro-Scotland, they must be Pro-UK.

James C said...

"So the SNP is claiming Scottish taxpayers provide a net subsidy to British taxpayers?" They certainly do: http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=2659

The Barnett Formula being popular knowledge I'm not entirely sure what the comparison with the BNP is supposed to achieve.

"...England is not so well placed for conveniently secluded areas with very few employment opportunities in which to dump nuclear bases on the hush-hush" There's a fair amount of space in Northern Wales last time I checked. Anyway, despite the difficulties involved Britain will not let independent Scots keep nuclear weapons, not least because the Scots won't want them. While this is a very good point, it's not one that I think particularly informs the debate at this point, particularly on the English side of the matter. However, I'm willing to concede that this is certainly one reason for British people to keep Scotland in the Union.

As for imperialism, weren't Britain's balls cut off a while ago in that respect? I seem to remember something about a canal somewhere...

On another note, it must be remembered that the present government has many reasons to preserve the Union; the Labour majority afforded by Scottish MPs for one. However, it should be remembered that the political calculations of an incumbent government should not be equated with the wishes of the population.

Ben - one thing that coming to Oxford has certainly taught me is that, even if is conceded that Scotland and England are different countries, is how strikingly similar they are. Despite minor inconsistencies, which can easily be chalked up to regionalism (one notices differences between Manchester and London after all), I do not feel that I live in a different country, I don't consider my peers foreigners and I don't they see me as an interloper. The notion that there is a Scottish identity sufficiently distinct from the rest of the UK to warrant independence is one born of political expediency and should therefore be treated with extreme caution.

Also, as if by magic, the Telegraph provided a chink of evidence to suppourt my claim that the rest of Britain would be glad to see the backs of the Scots:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/01/17/do1701.xml

James C

James C said...

Some good points and a sensible suggestion or two:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=3ERXEEMP3OX5RQFIQMFCFFWAVCBQYIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/01/19/do1901.xml

Anonymous said...

Firstly, on the subsidy debate - England pays Scotland a HUGE subsidy, and has been for decades, largely because of the credible threat of Scottish independence more on this from Prof Iain Maclean, a Scot incidentally though not a nationalist, here:(http://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/Politics/papers/2005/BarnettandtheWestLothianQuestion.pdf).

Why is Scottish independence a threat? The Conservatives find it a threat because, though it is often forgotten today, they are officially the Conservative and UNIONIST party, and preserving the Union of Britain was for a long time a prominent part of Tory ideology and policy. The collapse of the Scottish Tory party may be changing this.

On the other side of the ledger, the reason for blackmail is more obvious. Labour has Scotland in its pocket, and without the kilts at Westminster it would struggle to win a majority (and would also be minus its leader and Home Secretary, among others). The Tories already won a majority of English votes (though not seats) at the 2005 election.

Scottish independence would solve a range of problems. It would end the West Lothian contradictions of the current system, lower English taxes, force the Scots to choose between paying for the system they currently enjoy or cutting it back, and remove the English bogeyman from Scottish politics and society. There is still a strong tendency north of the border to blame all ills on the neighbours to the South. The Scots can only benefit from a more mature, independent politics

Anonymous said...

What about the army? What is now the Royal Scotish Regiment includes what have historically been some of Britain's finest troops, including the 'Black Watch'. Considering Britain's overseas commitments, it would be a considerable loss.

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